Here we continue the second part of a wide ranging interview with futurist Benjamin J. Butler. Before the interview this most unusual futurist, one who has a rather more holistic view of the ‘future’ prediction paradigm, suggested we go for a dip in the chilly River Dart to better prepare ourselves. Having walked with him in the ancient forests of Devon to get there I can say that it did impact the quality of our conversation. Talking heads is an expression we come across often now. It means solely cerebral communication to many. But Benjamin prepared the interviewer better and I must say that we did have a more meaningful dialogue that the walk and the river ablution surely helped prepare us for. In part two Benjamin spends more time discussing the spiritual aspects of futurism, i.e. human consciousness itself. Follow his work here.